We're talking Badlands 2025, training, equipment, parkour, strategy, and everything in between. Sarah, you've been training for 12 months, give or take, and the moment is almost here. Badlands is upon us.
>> I know. I think I feel like my mood has taken a dip over the last couple of weeks cuz my the nerves are ramping up and I'm just constantly thinking about it and ruminating on every single detail of this race. >> Before we jump in and get heavy on the details, you want to give us like a brief overview for someone doesn't know what we're talking about.
What is Badlands and what are you doing? >> Yeah, so Badlands is a race that begins in Granada in Spain. uh starts in about two weeks.
31st of August. >> 8 >> 814 or >> I think it's 818. I hate to >> break.
Oh no, those extra four kilometers will probably break me. There will be tears. Um there's almost 15,000 mters of climbing and we'll be going through, you know, all of this remote diverse loads of challenging climbs.
We'd be going through a desert at one point. Uh so very technical gravel climbing and descents and it's all self-supported. So you have to basically go in uh stop along villages as you go along and top up with water and face.
>> It's not a stage race. It's a one day. >> Sorry for anyone who knows what Badlands is, but just a lot of people won't.
It's you start time starts rolling and the time stops when you cross the finish line 814 or 818 km >> later. If you sleep, you choose. You can sleep for as long or as little as you want, but that clock is still running.
It's not like a multi-day event. >> Exactly. Exactly.
And personally, I'm gonna go and treat it as a personal race for myself. So, I'm not going to go and spend 10 hours in a hotel and get loads of sleep. I will be hitting hotels, but I am also going to be be prepared to sleep outside as well.
We've we t we talked about this in a recent podcast. you're going to have a completely different experience or that's the the plan anyway. >> Yeah, I remember watching this uh we I think we watched it together a couple of years ago and we recently rewatched it again.
The first time I became aware of Badlands, it was Lackl Morton's EF Gone Racing Badlands. You should go back and watch it if anyone hasn't seen it. It's absolutely gas.
>> But Lackland does a big send and rides straight through basically without any sleep. But the second placed rider is also a pro, lower level pro, continental level training partner of Lacklands. And he's like absolutely dead.
He used to put his buff down his shorts cuz his ars are so shaped. >> And that was pretty early on. He had to put the buff down his shorts.
I don't know if he really knew what he was getting himself into. >> I don't think anyone did in those early days. I think that's been like Badlands isn't around that long.
It's I'm going to say less than five, six years old or maybe it was, you know, much smaller back in the day, but David's done a great job of blowing it up. >> Yeah. And that and that was kind of the thing like I watched you get prepared for Badlands two years ago and train for it, you know, really kind of drill down and all the nitty-gritty details on kit gearing every little detail and went over to Granada and waved off to the start line and I was like, "Oh, that's so amazing.
It's just such a a crazy It sounds like such a crazy adventure. I would love to be able to do that. I'll never get to do something like that.
And then this year I was just like, sure, why can't I? Why can't I train for it and prepare for it and go and have this amazing adventure? And actually, Anthony, uh, just to bring you back again to kind of where you're how you're planning on not really racing it this year.
You're going to go and enjoy each day as an experience. You know, we did speak about potentially doing it together then, and you were like, well, no, because this is your adventure. You should go out and experience.
>> I think it ruined your experience as well. And I know it's like it feels like a safety net probably because some of your stuff and we'll get into it now like some of your >> fears are around you know a mechanical that you can't fix or just you know being exposed out in the desert on your own which are all very like legitimate concerns but it's like having me there will be a safety blanket I think that changes the whole experience for you and I also am kind of there as well like I'm either up the road or back the road depending on who sleeps more or less but you know you can always call and I can double back for you. It's not like a race that's super important to me.
It's just going out to have some fun. But I think let's maybe start off with equipment because everyone geeks out and I we, you know, we've been lucky enough with the podcast to have some amazing contacts, but we kind of have geeked out on equipment as well and you've tested a lot of different combos. You're rocking Shramm Red, old reliable >> for me, best in the game.
It just has that versatility around a couple of elements to it. Batteries on ShraMM just game changer for me. Being able to bring a spare battery, pop it in.
I think the ShraMM red, the ergonomics of the levers make it a lot nicer choice than Shimano or a camp for a long day of riding because there's more space around the grip. It's just a little bit more comfortable as well. >> And what I have set up in my levers only a couple of days ago was changing the fields on my bike computer on my hammerhead.
Oh, >> actually set it up. So, I'm going to be using that. I think that's an amazing feature for all that technical riding and descending.
>> It only works with your hammerhead though. You can't if someone's using a different computer and hammerhead are connected company required. >> H gearing wise went back and forth a lot on gearing and you went on a bike packing trip last week to test under load the gearing and we've kind of settled on a 4835 up front with a 1036 on the back.
The reason for this is there's some super steep climbs in Badlands that it looks like on paper maybe a 35 36 mightn't be quite an easy enough gear. You could have went with more of a mountain biky gear like a 32 on the front. But we kind of decided that if a climb is that steep, it's probably not worth the effort to try and ride it.
That the expenditure of effort to get up it is just not worth it. Just get off and walk that section if it's that steep. Like if you can't get up it with a 35 36 it's too steep to ride and it's going to take too much energy out of you.
>> Yeah. If you think about all the luggage I'm going to be carrying as well. The added weight of that plus you're on a gravel bike even for some of the pitches that I've looked into on some of the really kind of tricky climbs.
We've got 20% plus. I'm never going to be riding up those anyway. Even if I was on my road bike, you know, just out for a couple of hours, I would struggle getting up those.
So yeah, I think the I think the gearing I'm pretty confident in the gearing after testing it a couple of times and yeah, I'm happy. >> And then the two boy as opposed to the one boy gives you that range on the front where because there is a lot of downhill there is a lot of flat so you can push a little bit on the downhill like a 4810 is a big gear so you can push a lot on the downhill which obviously you're under load which on the downhill that's going to speed you up rather than slow you down. So there's plenty of range with the two by whereas I'm going to go with a one by setup.
Not as much range. But this podcast is about you and not me. So I'm going to go into my setup.
H by computer as I said you're happy enough. You're going hammerheads. You're happy enough following GPX files and routing and that.
Yeah, I've been practicing a lot with that because I, you know, any race that I have done previously, the rift, for instance, that was all very much, you know, it was all there was flags if you deter there was a couple of marshalss here and there. And speaking to Aaron Bogle, who's done this race a few times, he has warned me that the navigation around Badlands is very tricky and it's quite easy to go wrong. So, I have been practicing with that.
So, fingers crossed I don't make any huge huge mistakes. I mean, I don't want to add on an extra 50 km to this route at all. So, that's something that I will be watching really carefully.
>> Wheels, your own Zip Tri XPL or SW. >> They are savage. Probably >> the most fabulous add-on that I've put onto my gravel bike in the last couple of months.
I can't even it's hard to really describe and put into words the feeling and you know this like motion that you're getting propelled or something or everything's just easier. The wheels to me have been a revelation. I didn't think that good wheels and the proper tire choice I guess you know with that could make such an enormous difference.
>> Yeah. tires. You're going h Victoria Terino T60 which is a mixed gravel tire T50 little bit less puncture resistance more hard pack stuff there is some loose real loose sections here like as loose as beaches it doesn't get any looser than a beach >> uh 45 mil it's not going to be I don't think any more I don't you're not going to be underbiked on that I think you have plenty of time I think it's gonna be okay most of it especially with the long sections dynamic sealant inside, which you won't know because you don't put your own tires on, but you have dynamic sealant inside.
>> Hopefully, I will never see that sealant. That would be the dream. It's okay if it's just a spray and it catches it, but I don't want to be taking tires off to put tubes in.
That to me is is going to be worrisome. >> We've elected not go with inserts for your setup. The reason being a conversation with Alex Wild where he thinks it just changes the feel of the bike totally.
And you have spent a lot of time in your gravel bike getting used to handling. I would say you're quite a good hand. Your handling's developed faster than your fitnesses in in a lot of ways.
Like you're a >> better bike handler than the level you are on the bike, if that makes sense. I think >> which is kind of scary. >> Yeah.
But it's good cuz the worst thing you can really be is fast on a bad bike handler. >> Yeah. >> So it's at least you're slow on a good bike.
>> There you go everyone. Anthony is actually giving me a compliment. >> It was kind of kind of a compliment.
He's like, "You're a lot faster fish, but you can handle your bike." >> Fish for sure. Not fast.
Fit fits the goal for this. Uh the bag setup we were playing around all week with bags and it's maybe the main question you get around Badlands or bike packing is like what bags are you using? How are you carrying all this stuff?
Yeah. >> So we're super lucky to have tail fin providing the bags for us and we tail fin is just a piece of art if anyone hasn't checked it out. So you've gone with >> the carbon arrow tail fin pack.
Then you've gone with the seat tube >> bag goes under the top tube. Sorry. Top tube bag.
>> Yep. Top sheet bag. >> And then have we figured out what's your next one?
You going with the triangle? >> No, I'm going to go So, yeah, tail fin on the back as in kind of like a saddle bag. >> An arrow bag.
A bag. It's an arrow pack. Yes.
I'm going to go with the top tube bag up near where my handlebars are cuz I want to have everything, you know, I want have everything there super easy accessible. I'm not going to go for the second bag on the top tube. I'm going to go for the frame bag.
Yes. So, I basically have three bags and no handlebar bag. >> No handlebar bag.
It's just I'm I just don't think I'm going to need it. I'll have loads of room. >> I'm playing around with the idea of bringing a handlebar bag and the tail fin a pack and cuz I might bring a tent.
>> You're going to bring a tent. Yeah. >> No one brings a tent.
>> You're weak. >> I think we should talk about what we're putting into the the bags as well. So, >> before you jump Yeah.
No, go for that. Yeah. I was gonna jump on something else first, but that makes more sense, didn't it?
>> Yeah. So, you know, everyone is asking me, are you going to stay in hotels? Are you camping?
So, I'm going to do a mix. That's the plan. I mean, I've often spoke about the issues that I'm having with saddle sores at the moment.
So, for me, getting into a hotel and getting a shower and a proper wash will be really important. >> I'll see. I'm going to see how I'm feeling.
I think if I book into a hotel, I'll try and sleep for 11 hours. >> I like wake up. You know that your alarm goes off.
>> The first time I roam, so I've talked about this before. I broke D2 after like 10k, dropped out, but I was in a team. one of my friends, Aaron Carney, who's been on the podcast before.
I think we've done a bad lance podcast, but I was watching the Dot Tracker and Dot Watcher and it's super fun to do and I'm sure everyone will be doing it. We'll put our dot watcher links on Instagram. You can check them out.
But I was watching the Dot Watcher after day one and I was like, >> "Wow, fair player." And he's like pegged with Lao Wilcox like after day one he's like there's 10k between him and Leo Wilcox. I was like this is amazing.
So I went to bed or whatever 10:00 that night, woke up the next morning. I checked dot watcher and he was 440 km behind Leo Wilcox. I was like, "What happened?
" The dream was a liar. >> Did he sleep out? He >> He obviously had she slept.
You know, Le's on the podcast. >> For anyone who doesn't know Le, she's probably the best ultra distance rider in the world and for many reasons, but one of her super pairs is that she can just go and go and go and not sleep at all. >> Talking to her yesterday actually, so she's coming back on the podcast after Badlands.
>> Oh. Oh, amazing. Is she going to be a match?
>> Actually, don't know. Don't ever ask her if she's still bothered. >> Right.
Okay. Okay. It'd be so cool to meet her in the flesh.
So, what am I packing? Um, I am going to bring be wearing a jersey and bib shorts. I'm going to pack an extra jersey and bib shorts.
Extra socks. >> Pock. All pock.
>> Yes. All pock. Um, and then I'm going to bring a very light sleeping bag, a bivvie bag for bag that it's grim.
But >> if anyone hasn't seen a bivvie bag, it's basically a like a bin. >> It's like a plastic bag. It's a pin liner.
Yeah, it's a bin liner that you hop into that it kind of makes it a little bit more waterproof and windproof. >> The only people who like Vivian are people who've never been Vivian >> and I have never been bivying before. Um, I'm going to bring a light puffer jacket because there are some long descents and we do get quite high up into altitude.
So, I do need to have a little jacket with me as well. Um, and really that's it. I'll have some like toiletries with me.
I'll have my toothbrush. I'm going to, you know, cut off half of that to save weight, but uh >> for the memes. >> For the memes.
So, toothpaste, toothbrush, that's it. And then toothpaste. >> And then >> you're not bringing toothpaste.
>> I am bringing toothpaste. You're disgusting. And then I'm going to bring all my tools.
I'm bringing a multi-tool, two latex tubes, carbon dioxide canisters, a hand pump, and what else? >> Plugs. >> Plugs.
Yeah. Oh, and a patch as well. A patch.
>> Tire boot. >> Tire boot. >> Got some actual old school patches in case you puncture a million times.
>> Yeah, exactly. >> Chain breaker, power link. Yeah.
>> Spare valve. Sarah has a clue what's in her saddle. >> Yeah, I've got I've got it all packed up there.
So, ready to go. Um, so yeah. So, that's basically what I'm bringing.
Have you anything different with you seeen as you're taking the long way around? >> No, basically similar. Uh what we have been also testing as well as bags this week is lights and light setups are super important going out obviously to a desert riding through the night.
So we've settled with exposure. We're going both going to ride identical lights. The exposure lights I think we're actually going to go are we going to plan a little bit of an overnighter before we go?
If we have time we might do a >> Yeah, we're going to go and test easy overnighter to the final tests. Uh exposure lights. We're going with the Toro MK15 under the bars.
I went with the bigger one last time, the I think it's the MK16, the six-pack one. It's just too heavy. It's more of a mountain bike light.
Super light. It's like turning nighttime into daytime. Yeah.
But it's a bit more than you need for a trip like this. >> It's like one of those spotlights they put on the prisoners when they're trying to >> search. Yeah.
the lad climbing over the fence over Trump's wall and you >> it's like the bat you know the bat light they they shine over into the light that was insane >> yeah so I don't think you need that much horsepower at that low speed so >> the Toro MK-15 under the bars and the Diablo MK4 on the helmets those exposure lights couldn't be any cooler you feel like >> they're just so well made and when you look at the reviews I spent a long time going down the rabbit hole on reviews and stuff on lights but there's guys who bought their lights like five, six years ago and they send them back to exposure and they fix them and send them back out to them. It's phenomenal service, but it's just such a cool light. Like it feels like >> I don't know the craftsmanship of a gun or something.
It's a fully sealed >> steel light. >> Yeah, it's just sturdy. It just feels trustworthy, doesn't it?
I'm also going to run a little red light on the back of my bike as well. >> You have to Oh, we have to do that. And >> I got your exposure on as I'm gonna have a little uh normal light on the front as well, just for visibility.
Um so like a nonexo, you know, >> in case a car hits you or something. >> Yeah, just in case. I think um >> No, I got a little exposure set front and back over there.
>> Okay. Amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. No, just as I said, a few people I spoke to have done it already were kind of saying, >> what's the point to that?
>> I don't know. I think when you're when it's kind of dusky, maybe they say to put it on rather than your full light. >> Got a headlight as well.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Well, you don't have to. >> You have the sun. Listen, you don't have to do it, but I'm going to do it.
>> A hydration pack. >> Yes. Yes.
A hydration pack. I mean, they are so comfortable. The hydration pack.
I can't get over >> that brand leader. >> Uh, and >> US. Yeah.
Actually, good job. >> USWE. Yeah.
Um, that's one I'm rocking 2 liter. And then I'm also going to have two 2 L bottles on my bike. They basically say, "Do not even attempt this race unless you've got three to five liters of water on you at all time.
" So, that's kind of what where I am with the >> I have the first bottle cage on my bike, so I don't know if it's overkill bringing three bottles and the hydration pack. I have nothing really good or bad to say about the hydration pack. It's a hydration pack.
Like, you can't get too excited about it. >> I think they're made. They're so handy, especially, as I said, always say on the gravel when you don't want to be reaching down for a bottle.
I would consider bringing a third hydration pack or bottle, but I don't know. I'm just going to weigh up between the weight of another liter. Another liter of fluid, >> another liter of water is going to be an extra kilo on the bike.
So, kind of weigh. Yeah. >> Okay.
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>> Training your check in with your coach. >> Yes. So, my coach, >> your training.
>> I just don't know how somebody would train for an event like this and not have a coach because it has been such a long, you know, process to get me from basically to from couch to doing this race, >> couch to 818K plan. They're hard to find on the templates on the internet. Oh, so I don't I I really really just can't say enough about having a coach.
Obviously Anthony, you've been coaching me and I think we've navigated getting sick, fatigue levels, >> saddle sores. >> Saddle sores. Again, that's been my biggest issue.
I had a knee injury in the middle. Yeah. Um but having the coach, I honestly feel so fit.
I feel so strong. I feel very very prepared for this. I I have to say I'm a little bit My motivation levels to train this week have been super low.
I think I'm, you know, maybe just ready to race now. I'm just kind of like, okay, I'm over going out and out in the roads for like seven hours on my own now. I just want to get over to Granada and start this like amazing adventure.
So, I am really glad to be starting the taper. Can you talk about the taper? >> Yes, you're starting taper.
The idea with the taper is to just get rid of all the fatigue. You've built a lot of fatigue in the last specifically the last month or so. You've been training hard, bit of intensity, quite a bit of duration, and now it's time to shell some of that fatigue while keeping some of So, you're trying to get freshness, keep the fitness, and kill the fatigue.
So, it's a little bit of a balance of thrown in a lot of a little bit of intensity, but killing most of the duration. So, like you've hard enough spin tonight, but it's only going to be 90 minute, twohour spin. Same again, you're off Friday.
Same again, Saturday. You've hard but short spin. Sunday, you're off again and we're traveling next week.
So, it's probably a 10day taper into this, which is on the long side for a taper. The taper is proportionate really to the length of the event and the length of the buildup. So, yeah, it's been good.
Look, you're you've made massive gains from, you know, I'd say you've added 50 60 watts onto your 20-minute power and we haven't really focused on 20 minute power at all. I don't think you've done many 20-minute efforts. It's been more looking at aerobic efficiency and decoupling.
looking at heart rate to power and seeing how that's improved ratio and it's been massive improvements. You know, you're you came pretty untrained like you hadn't followed many structured training plans before. Y >> so those newbie gains which are massive and you rode that wave.
>> I think you're >> very very well prepared for it. Like you showed in Rift how well prepared you are for it. Like you were you know you won your age group in Rift which was an absolute everybody.
>> Yeah. >> Double checking your results there. I think aselle what you you have to kind of remember when you're training for something like this and again just to bring it back to having a coach is that you're you're training for this specific event.
We have a a section in the Roman Saturday spin on a Saturday where everybody sprints each other at the the airport section and I mean I have nothing at that because what I have been training for over the last 10 12 months is just building this big endurance engine. So, and you do need somebody to help you navigate that and kind of figure out what are the important bits. >> And it's a sticky mix though because you're not just trying to go and do a race across America where it's, you know, pavement all the way across.
>> You're trying not to die when you're fatigued on super technical descents. So, there's been a lot of work on off-road. Y >> understanding that if the wheels move under you, it's okay.
mountain biking, mountain biking, underbiked on some sections like we were riding gravel bikes on blue trails and red trails really building a skill set to get you through sticky situations. So, it's been fitness and skills getting built in tandem over probably a 10 month preparation. >> Yeah, >> almost here.
>> Okay. Whoa, get even more nervous now. >> What have we missed?
Uh pacing wise, I think it's just staying within yourself, staying on top of hydration plan, staying on top of fueling plan. You've tested your fueling plan quite robustly over Rift is probably the best test of it. You kind of know what's working for you.
You're going with what brand? What gels you using? Never.
>> Never. Yeah. >> Uh yeah, gels are very individual.
I don't think I will use Never Second. I got a bad dose of the shits at Rifts by gels. >> Yeah, that was that was pretty that wasn't pretty, but I found them absolutely brilliant.
So yeah, very individual >> uh heat adaptation. You know, I've done loads of podcasts on heat at this stage. Heat's the new altitude.
We didn't really use heat for physiological adaptations. There was no heat training. Just felt maybe the risk to reward of trying something new for the first time into the A priority event wasn't really worth it.
So instead used heat more just from an acclamation point of view with some >> sauna exposure and sleeping setup. You've gone through that hydration strategy. We've gone through that.
Anything else? Um, missing. >> No, not really.
We I just want to run through a couple of the the kind of bits that are probably making me the most nervous about the the reef. Look, it's a big long race. And the the thing is that as soon as the the starting gun goes off, you're basically into climbing immediately for a kilometer 0 to 19.
There's a 19 km climb straight away. Actually, I haven't looked at the parkour at all. That's going to be heartbreaking.
>> We've got almost uh 1,000 meters in that 19 kilometers. So, the average is around 5% for that. So, that's going to be kind of Hello, welcome to Bland.
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Um the other things that I'm kind of a little bit nervous about are there's a few climbs like look we have a lot of climbs that are over 20 25 30 km long and the average gradients on those are over 6%. Um you know so that will I know that those are going to be really really tough. Again in the middle of those you've got pitches of between 15 and 17%.
So, they're going to be like pretty challenging for me, but as you said, I'm just going to try and pace myself through them. The other thing I think to watch out for is the descending because we do have like a lot of really long technical descents in Badlands. So, it's just about, I think, staying hydrated, >> full concentration, getting down those safely.
Um, and then the other really stand out part to me is this beach section that everybody talks about where it's like 10 km along the beach. >> It's not It's not that far, is it? >> Yeah, I think it's quite long and it's all sand bike.
>> You don't think so? >> No, maybe it's 10k tread in the coast, but it's not a 10k hike bike section. No, it's a it's a much shorter hike unless it's totally new this year.
The hiker bike section, I think, you know, if you look at >> even the video of Lackland, he's pushing for like a couple of minutes. >> Oh, I thought it was way longer than that. Okay, that's after setting me um at ease a little bit.
As soon as we come out of that section though, there's three big climbs one after the other. 21 km, 18 km, and 14 km climbs. And they all have about >> That's the length of the climbs.
>> Yeah. And they all have they're back to back to back. They all have gradients of about 5 to 6%.
And it said that on the handbook individually they're very manageable, but to together they're a sustained workload. So I think coming out of the beach area in Almaria going into those three clims is going to be a real real challenge for me. So that's >> also the graphy desert part which is the longest period without access to service to kind of point to no return.
don't want to hit that >> like with no food, fatigued. You kind of want to hit that almost fresh in the morning if it's possible to rest up like I think is that two I think it's like 220 or something into the race. >> Exactly.
So I don't think I mean strategy wise I'll be going past 220 or 230 for day number one. >> Yeah. If you got to 200 on day one >> that would be amazing.
>> That's pretty amazing. But you definitely want to leave that striking distance. You don't want to finish day one at like 140.
M >> because then you're like a 100k of riding before you get to that the next day. And it's like you want to be hitting that in the first half of the next day. >> No, I think day number one has to be a big send to get to the edge of the graphy desert and then you know fuel up, get some sleep and plan from there.
>> But also I think you got to hit it. I don't know much about deserts but they don't sound like the coolest most shelter to place. So I don't think you want to hit that at midday sun.
>> No. So maybe get to uh get to the village beforehand, get a few areas of sleep, and then maybe leave in the middle of the night. >> Yeah, if you could hit a >> I don't know.
I don't know if you want to be hitting that at night either. I'm thinking strategy wise if I can hit that >> be starting at like 7 a.m.
or something. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> I don't know. We'll see. But >> best lay plans.
>> Plan's all great until you get punched in the face, isn't it? >> And I think Badlands has the potential to punch us in the face for sure. So, we're heading out on the >> 28th.
>> 28th. >> Yeah. Race kicks off on the 31st.
The cut off point is the 5th at 2 p.m. And I just want to say that Wes, our videographer, is coming out as well.
>> We're going to make a documentary. >> We're going to make a documentary. >> We've never made documentary.
>> There's really strict rules about Wes. He can't really, you know, he can stick a camera in our face, but he can't really talk to us. He obviously can't give us food or water or anything like that.
So, it's quite strict. Um, but yeah, you'll be able to see Anthony and myself in all of our glory. >> And there is a puck shakeout ride the day before or the day before that.
Watch our socials and we're going to on that one as well. Yeah, I think that's a that's a Badlands wrap, I think. >> Yeah.
Can't wait. >> Thanks for tuning in, folks. Hopefully we survive.
Hopefully we make it. Let us know in the comments below. >> Hopefully our relationship hopefully all survives.
Let us know in the comments below if you would attempt something like Badlands, Silk Road Mountain Race or anything like that.